Post number : #1
Topic :  New Formula Board
Date :  4/22/2009 1:44:06 AM Author : Crash

The new Black Formula Board has been very successful are there any plans to update it for 2010?
Crash
 
Post number : #2
Date :  4/22/2009 11:38:24 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Crash,

We've been working on that very strong with Patrice.

I've got with me 4 new protos on Sylt last year already that i've been working all summer (my summer, your winter).

We retested a little and decided to do a couple modifications and one more proto. I will be testing it next week on Brest with Benny and Patrice.

For the work we've done so far the board is a huge improvement in the light winds and middle winds on the upwind; and is ten times better downwind at any wind condition.
Aswell what is very nice is that it became very effortless.
BR, Gonzalo.
 
Post number : #3
Date :  4/22/2009 8:40:17 PM Author : G-42

I think this two-year release cycle is a good thing, both for Formula (where it's enforced by class rules) and for slalom. The products are more mature upon release, and the sailor benefits from their purchase holding its value longer.

I'm going into my second racing season on the WF08. The board's going strong, and trims out the way it did when I got it, which tells me that there's no rocker line distortion. I'm sure that's a result of the copious amounts of carbon used. Don't know how that's working out on the other brands; I'm pretty happy with what I have.

I also like that the release cycle for formula and slalom are on alternate years - that helps financially, as I can stagger my purchases (one year formula, next year slalom).

-Andreas
http://g-42.blogspot.com
 
Post number : #4
Date :  4/23/2009 3:18:35 AM Author : Crash

That’s going to have a lot of people getting excited again and looking forward to its release. It would be really great if more time was spent on developing a stock fin so it wouldn’t cost another huge amount to be competitive.
Thanks for the update
Crash
 
Post number : #5
Date :  4/24/2009 4:46:47 PM Author : Vincent

I use a Finworks on my BM. It was very reasonably priced (a fraction of the dollars needed for a Kashy). I got it in a couple of weeks and it works extremely well: I've never been that fast before, period.
Their methods of constructions are such that they have a good reproducibility from fin to fin.
So overall I'd say this is about as close to a "stock fin" as I know about....


Best regards.
Vincent.
 
Post number : #6
Date :  4/24/2009 5:18:27 PM Author : Koen

More info on FW boards, incl WF08:

http://www.carbonsugar.com/design/the-ultimate-fw-board-tuning-guide/
 
Post number : #7
Date :  4/25/2009 11:46:11 AM Author : Kostas

...stock fin. Is there any chance then that the new B/M '10 will come
with a fin too, and if so will it be possible to purchase this fin
seperately from our distributor? (so that I can use it with B/M '08-09).

Great boards, thanks EXO team!

Kostas
GRE 737
 
Post number : #8
Date :  5/6/2009 2:13:08 PM Author : william

Hi guys.
Have the black machine and love it.Am only 65kg but found this board so easy and fast to sail compared to starboard and others.Please remember the smaller sailors with the new designs.
Will.
 
Post number : #9
Date :  5/7/2009 2:35:41 PM Author : Niko

Hello!!

I have also BM.... I weigh 105kg and feel like missing some light wind performace(volume from tail) with my 12m2 TR-4.....
Medium/high wind performance is better for me...
Still have some downwind issues with nose sticking...

Also please consider double chickenstrap inserts optio.

Good sailing!!
Niko
 
Post number : #10
Date :  5/7/2009 3:50:49 PM Author : Koen B-2

Hi Nikko,

I have build a double chickenstrap that is put on a little plate fixated with the 2 finbolts. I'll post a picture soon.

Works great on the downwind. Gives full control without loosing speed.
 
Post number : #11
Date :  5/7/2009 10:17:58 PM Author : Kostas

Niko,

I'm 98kg. Put boom quite high (at least eye level or perhaps even higher).
Experiment by shortening your harness lines a bit at the same time too.
This helps a lot to ride B/M downwind with more comfort.
Also fin rake is crucial. As Gonzalo has pointed out on another topic,
a rake between +4 / +5 in DB terms (that's equivalent with 4.5 degrees from vertical for other fins) gives board a 'free' feeling.

I like this board. Full stiffness and excellent speed.

GRE 737
 
Post number : #12
Date :  9/22/2009 1:34:54 PM Author : Nikio

Hello!!

Gonzalo.... do you think new formula has better ability with on bigger sails/ heavy riders??
I change to another board in mid season and found better performanca for my weight. I use MS tr-4 10,11 & 12
Waiting for comments on NEW formula.

I weight 105kg and feel in light/medium lakewinds I lose too much in angle in lulls/shifts and not yet got the best feeling in downwing eigther.

I've seen BM working much better on lighter riders and smaller sails.

Going to get *board or new EXO for next season

Thank you for comments.....

Good Sailing!!
Niko
 
Post number : #13
Date :  9/22/2009 5:03:27 PM Author : Koen

Not Gonzalo, but can give a bit info:

on new Exo formula, the 200cm scoop point has been raised. This will improve the downwind in a significant way.
The rails under the footstraps have been increased, so more power on the upwind. Nose outline is a bit wider. Volume has been going up to 161l.
Double chickenstrap option added for increased control and speed when overpowered on the downwind or when reaching.

So yes, this board will carry more easely bigger sails and heavier racers, but at the same time the boards remains easy to sail so that also the lighter riders can still handle it.

First comments from Gonzalo are also showing a board behaviour that is not too sensitive to fin choice
 
Post number : #14
Date :  9/24/2009 7:42:15 PM Author : Kostas

Thanks for the feedback. Where can we check a photo of the new black machine? Does one foot-off width remain the same?
Cheers,

GRE737
www.fwa.gr
 
Post number : #15
Date :  9/24/2009 8:40:21 PM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Guys,
I tried the first board last week in spain at the formula worlds.
Before me some guys tried it pretty strong winds..20kts. Both sailors told me that they found the board super easy..both of them ride starboards, the 160 and 161. Both of them made a remark that the board was super easy downwind.

On the last day of the event after racing, some french sailors wanted to try it so they took it out. They put their own fin. KAshy 75 XS which i believe was not the best for the condition, 15 kts.
First Nico Warenbourg tried it and then Antoine Questel. Both of them had good speed at the event.
I was sailing with them when they tried it. When Nico sailed on it i decided to stay away and see how the board was behaving..i was not pushing my speed..it looked like he was having a lot of angle on the upwind. Downwind he was quite fast compared to me.
He said that the board was very easy both upwing and downwind but that it needed a little of more speed..i told him that probably the fin was not the right one 75 cut is a pretty slow fin when you are nicely power up.
Then Antoine rided it. I went full power now to see what was going on. He had more angle than me. Downwind he was faster than me. He said similar things as Nico, mostly that the board was very stable and easy.
So then i tried it. I had more angle than Antoine now and similar speed. Straight away i felt what the guys meant that it was missing speed..the fin was way too big and draggy for that condition.
My feel was that the board was very stable and sailing high and flat. On my old board on starboard tack ai had to be very aware of the waves, working with my legs to absorb them. On the new board that has more volume and specially the stance in the footstraps is higher in the water you didnt have to be working with your legs. You could keep them straigh..the waves suddenly felt smaller than before.
On port the board felt easy aswell. The rail position is different than the old one. You can play with your back foot and put it the rail and is very comfy.
Downwind which the condition was hard because the chop was very steep, there was no problem at all. You can put your back foot in a little more on the board and then sail just flat downwind.
That fin should make the board pretty slow downwind but it was still pretty fast compare to the other guys.
Now i gave it to Aurelian Meteyer who is quite lighter than me. He seemed to be going better than before..he said it was easy, specially downwind. At this same run, Antoine ride one of the new starboards, dont know which one, but i was faster than him now on my old board. They had put a 70 XS kashy which is a faster fin in that condition than a 75 cut...
So i liked a lot. To me the main changes that we wanted to achieve were covered:
-better downwind
-easier ride, more stability all the time
-higher nose, so at starts or very choppy moments the board feels very free.
-bigger board to hold bigger sail in case of light wind and for heavy guys. You can put any 12 and the board will hold it very good.
and we kept the nice feeling of the old one:
-very easy to point.
-easiness going upwind
-weight is unreal, when everybody was lifting the board on the beach they could not believe it. Still around 8 kgs..the new starboards were there with their new construction..lift the, and it was the same thing as before...

Some friends of mine are trying it now in ARG, i will ask them to post some comments...
 
Post number : #16
Date :  9/24/2009 11:56:45 PM Author : Jack

thank you Gonzalo,
according with your feedback the board should be a real killer.
I've followed the FW World's on the web and listening that Spanish Starboard distributor didn't let test the boards sounded a bit strange.
It really means nothing particular but....
I had an Exo fw experience in 2006 (warp formula 2006) and I still got crazy if I think how much slow I was during that season (please note that the 160 and the fx IV were flying at that time).I've trusted to Exo guys feedback and bought the board but as soon as I tested it few times I was so disappointed but,unfortunately,where I live Exo hasn't a big market and I had to hold on all the season.
BUT I still think they're quite able to release great product and if possible I'd like to give 'em another chance.
Liked to ask something regarding your post:

Hi Guys,
I tried the first board last week in spain at the formula worlds.
Before me some guys tried it pretty strong winds..20kts. Both sailors told me that they found the board super easy..both of them ride starboards, the 160 and 161. Both of them made a remark that the board was super easy downwind.

-had a reminder that downwind wasn't the main problem with the WF.Instead Starboard's have had always this kind of problem.

On the last day of the event after racing, some french sailors wanted to try it so they took it out. They put their own fin. KAshy 75 XS which i believe was not the best for the condition, 15 kts.
First Nico Warenbourg tried it and then Antoine Questel. Both of them had good speed at the event.
I was sailing with them when they tried it. When Nico sailed on it i decided to stay away and see how the board was behaving..i was not pushing my speed..it looked like he was having a lot of angle on the upwind. Downwind he was quite fast compared to me.

-how could you measured it if you weren't pushing?Sounds pretty natural.No?

He said that the board was very easy both upwing and downwind but that it needed a little of more speed..i told him that probably the fin was not the right one 75 cut is a pretty slow fin when you are nicely power up.

-heard the board is not very fin sensitive.THANK YOU for that!But what have you used in that condition and what kind of fin the board likes?

Then Antoine rided it. I went full power now to see what was going on. He had more angle than me.

-were Antoine on 12,5 and you on 12 or both 11?

Downwind he was faster than me. He said similar things as Nico, mostly that the board was very stable and easy.
So then i tried it. I had more angle than Antoine now and similar speed. Straight away i felt what the guys meant that it was missing speed..the fin was way too big and draggy for that condition.

-too big?too thick?too soft?

My feel was that the board was very stable and sailing high and flat. On my old board on starboard tack ai had to be very aware of the waves, working with my legs to absorb them.

-samething than WF

On the new board that has more volume and specially the stance in the footstraps is higher in the water you didnt have to be working with your legs. You could keep them straigh..the waves suddenly felt smaller than before.
On port the board felt easy aswell. The rail position is different than the old one. You can play with your back foot and put it the rail and is very comfy.
Downwind which the condition was hard because the chop was very steep, there was no problem at all. You can put your back foot in a little more on the board and then sail just flat downwind.
That fin should make the board pretty slow downwind but it was still pretty fast compare to the other guys.
Now i gave it to Aurelian Meteyer who is quite lighter than me. He seemed to be going better than before..he said it was easy, specially downwind. At this same run, Antoine ride one of the new starboards, dont know which one, but i was faster than him now on my old board. They had put a 70 XS kashy which is a faster fin in that condition than a 75 cut...

-according with first starboard test the board are pretty responsive and fast.Apart Wojtek and Michael who developed the boards even "average people" seem appreciate the new ones (expecially the HWR).So it would interesting hear from Aurelien about which was the board on test and if he was full power.

So i liked a lot. To me the main changes that we wanted to achieve were covered:
-better downwind
-easier ride, more stability all the time
-higher nose, so at starts or very choppy moments the board feels very free.
-bigger board to hold bigger sail in case of light wind and for heavy guys. You can put any 12 and the board will hold it very good.
and we kept the nice feeling of the old one:
-very easy to point.
-easiness going upwind
-weight is unreal, when everybody was lifting the board on the beach they could not believe it. Still around 8 kgs..the new starboards were there with their new construction..lift the, and it was the same thing as before...

-how about planning ability?Speed and pointing ability at very low speed (typical after starts with light air and/or in a big fleet)?

Some friends of mine are trying it now in ARG, i will ask them to post some comments...

-can't wait!


thank you
 
Post number : #17
Date :  9/25/2009 12:34:49 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Jack, I'll try to answer your questions. Note that i ve sailed a lot the protos and only 30 minutes on the new one on 15 kts with my 12.

Downwind: the new board is very easy. The old one, '08 '09 was very technical on wavys downwinds. So we tried to change that. I know that f2s had always an advantage to starboards because of the huge cutouts..and that starboards were not considered very good boards on the downwind. I ve sailed a lot of F2s in the past and this new EXO feels a little like that on the downwinds.

When the guys tried the board we were sailing onm a group of 5 guys. I stayed higher on the first run because i didnt want to interfere their test. It looked from my position that Nico was outpointing and going better than his parteners. I didnt push my speed and didnt make any comparison with him in the upwind, i stayed clear upwind and checked how it looked. I did push downwind.

Regards fins: i ve tested the protos with a 70 Xs kashy. I tried 78 cut, 72s, and some weird stuff..most of the time the 70 wa the best and the changes in speed were not very significant.
When we sailed it in Spain Nico put his 75 XS with rake 4.0 which is pretty vertical. I would have preffer to put a normal 70.

I was on 12, i dont know about Antoine but the wind was 15 kts aprox so you could either be on 12 or 11 and it was a nice condition.

The fin was too thick and too much area in the tip. A 75 cut normally gives this feel of going for angle and killes a little the going for speed and more sensitive feel. The rake of the fin aswell was 4.0 which is pretty vertical for a kashy..gives you a little of drag feel..

I think the starboard was the HW. The board looked good too. I made a straight comparison with Antoine that tried both and i stayed stable on my setup. He had more angle on the Exo. He looked good on the staboard too. Dont get me wrong, probably the starboards are nice boards. I am happy to see the differences in speed when he tried both brands, that it was not that big..very similar..we didnt sail much and we had very different fins within both boards so is hard to say which is better. The real thing is that both were pretty similar performace at that time, and that people that tried the exo said it was super easy, very stable, easy downwind...and this were our targets..very good test for the first time in the water.

It was pretty strong to check planing ability and pointing in low winds but when we tried the protos we had a huge advantage in light air. The board was planing very quick because of the extra volume. And as soon as you get into plane the board rides higher so it has less chance to touch any chop or wave that could slow you down.
The tail and big rails on the back can guarantee you that makes you point very high if you need to.

I ll try to get some feedback from my friends back home which are trying it all this days.
Hope i cover your questions..!
BR, Gonzalo
 
Post number : #18
Date :  9/25/2009 7:21:28 AM Author : NIko

Hello!!

Thanks for every comment.....

Seems like there is true advance on the board... and everything Gonzalo wrote about the feeling of the 08-09 model is same as I have been feeling/missing.
I believe that effects are even more with heavy riders(100kg+) with 12 meter sails.

I think I Ride exo for next year again. Also keep my big Lorch as "backup".
Hopefully there will be more comment on Lightwind ability in the future.
And lightwind fin options....

Good Sailing!!
Niko
 
Post number : #19
Date :  9/25/2009 10:55:12 AM Author : Remi

Hi Jack,

Gonzalo is refering to Antoine Questel not AA (Antoine Albeau). I just thought there was some confusion there.

Nevertheless Antoine Questel is a very talented Slalom and Formula sailor.

Cheers,
Remi
 
Post number : #20
Date :  9/25/2009 11:06:39 AM Author : pierremanu

Dear Gonzalo,

If I remember last years, with the "old" 08/09 black machine, you were most of the time in the top 3 positions.

At the last event with the new BM (10/11) you are at the 16th positions.

How do you explain this huge gap in result?

"Hi Jack, I'll try to answer your questions. Note that i ve sailed a lot the protos and only 30 minutes on the new one on 15 kts with my 12."

Does that mean that there is a big difference between the prototype you have tuned with the Exocet team and the final production board?

Many thanks for your answers.

Pierremanu
 
Post number : #21
Date :  9/25/2009 11:51:46 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Pierremanu,

The new board '10'11 can not be use until next year. I raced on the old board '08'09.
The conditions were very tuff on the downwind and the course they set up was not great aswell for our board. Huge downwind finish to the beach with a very steep chop and close to each other.

I made a lot of mistakes too, the wind was very unstable and hard to read,

I always reffered to Antoine Questel, Antoine Albeau hasn't been doing formula this year. AQ is one of the fastest guys out there whenever there is power up conditions.

Niko the board is much better for heavier guys now just because it has that extra volume.

The board is very similar to the protos we worked on. We did some minor changes in the end, like having a little less V on the tail and some rail adjustment. So this can make small differences.


 
Post number : #22
Date :  9/25/2009 12:00:12 PM Author : Koen

Hi Pierremanu,

The 2010 WF wasn't used during races, this isn't allowed. On the 2009 worlds, Gonzalo was using the WF08/09.

When evaluating results, It is also good to look to the various conditions they had on the last worlds. Compared to the previous year, gonzalo also has other sails (NP) and it looks like MS needs to do some work on the 11m.. Their 12m seems to be a killer sail, but as soon as they are stepping down,....

Just look to the results of the other MS guys (Dennis NED-13,.....). in addition, I think that the WF08/09 had it a bit hard to carry Gonzalo with his MS12m (although I liked my 12m vapor on that board). I beleive that last year, Gonealo was often using a smaller sail .
 
Post number : #23
Date :  9/25/2009 12:02:17 PM Author : Koen

when re-reading the above it might be unclear regarding Gozalo's sailbrands: now MS, last year NP.
 
Post number : #24
Date :  9/25/2009 4:35:08 PM Author : Bimba

Que onda Gonza.
Estoy firmando contrato com mi patrocinador para hacer unas regatas de formula este ano. Ilha Bela, Fortaleza y el campeonato Brasileno.
Voy competir de Exocet. Estou muy motivado.
Mandame un email por favor com su direcion.
Abrazos
Bimba
 
Post number : #25
Date :  9/25/2009 8:04:29 PM Author : francois

Some pics of the new Formula here :
http://www.windsurfing44.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12556#p12556

and here :
http://www.windsurfing44.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12908#p12908
 
Post number : #26
Date :  9/27/2009 12:58:23 AM Author : Jack

thanks Gonzalo for answer.
If I right understand you tried to bring some F2's features in the new board which now rides better and higher downwind.But hope it doesn't get also the tyoicall control issue of the F2's...
What's your opinion abou that point (control in 20+ kts)?
What's the rider style that suits best the board:high speed/less angle/longer legs or lower speed/more angles/shorter legs ?

I didn't understand:you said that with your old Exo you were faster than the new Starboard and that from what you've seen the speed difference between the new Exo and the new Starboard isn't that big.Maybe I wrong but in this way the old Exo should be faster than the new one!

Have you got more feedback from your friends?

Yes Remi,it was clear that Gonzalo was talking of AQ.
 
Post number : #27
Date :  9/27/2009 1:06:48 AM Author : Jack

forgotten to ask:
what's the tail width?
 
Post number : #28
Date :  9/30/2009 12:10:35 AM Author : mats

Hi guys,

I have been sailing the BM this season and I am really happy with the board, especially upwind in flat water conditions and the quality of the board. Still the board feels like new and crispy despite quite hard sailing and my 100kg.

The two things I don't like is the thin rails at the back fotstraps and the ability to go over chops downwind. Actually the board became less sticky when I went from Gaastra 12 (07) to Point-7 12,5. Thought It should be the opposite when you put on a heavier rig.

I am going to find a new board for next season and the development made on the new Exco formula seems to full fill my wishes of a new board compared to the one I have. However, It would be interesting to compare exact figures the new VS 08/09.

I stole those figures from http://www.carbonsugar.com/design/the-ultimate-fw-board-tuning-guide/

Is it possible to get those figures for the new one:

BM 08/09
Width at 30cm off 833mm
Mast-track (from back) 1295mm
Finbox (from back) 99mm
Flat (from back) 755mm
30cm off (Vee/Concave) 4.5mm / 1.2mm
90cm off 9.5mm / 2.3mm
120cm off 14.5mm / 4.5mm
40cm from front 0mm / 2.2mm
2mm Scoop 1060mm
12mm Scoop 1400mm
20mm Scoop 1510mm
Volume (L) 158
Registered Weight 8.3kg
Length 233cm
 
Post number : #29
Date :  10/2/2009 2:33:52 AM Author : Jack

hallo Gonzalo,
have you had the chance to read my last post (#26)?
Have you got more feedback from your friends?

@Exo management

When the board will be released on line and when it's going to be available on the European market?
 
Post number : #30
Date :  10/2/2009 11:06:30 PM Author : Koen

First delivery will be end of November.
 
Post number : #31
Date :  10/3/2009 12:16:07 AM Author : Jack

thank you Koen.
Web release?

Have you personally tested the final version of the board?
Can you describe conditions of the test day and feeling you got?
 
Post number : #32
Date :  10/4/2009 1:33:05 AM Author : Koen

NO, not tests for me yet, but hope to be able to test soon the production version.

Sofar, the board from Gonzalo is the only one. Production is ongoing or even finished. Some boards will be flewn in, but this is very expensive, so most boards will come with container and ship from thailand. This takes about 4 weeks.
 
Post number : #33
Date :  10/5/2009 7:42:23 PM Author : GRE-737

Hi,
It's still too early to know this, but does the new 'black-machine' require different fins from the previous B/M model?
Cheers,

Kostas
GRE-737
www.fwa.gr
 
Post number : #34
Date :  10/6/2009 1:01:02 PM Author : Koen

Gonzalo his first observation was that the new board seemed rather fin "in"sensitive and what worked on the old board, also worked on the new one.
 
Post number : #35
Date :  10/6/2009 1:57:01 PM Author : Matias SWE 73

What will the price be on the new Black Machine?
I´m happy to see that the new one seems to improved in the downwind area. Like others here I thougt it was hard to get some speed downwind, especially in lightwindconditions.
I will probably get the new BM.
 
Post number : #36
Date :  10/22/2009 3:00:22 PM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Guys, here in brasil now racing at the grand prix..yesterday we tried to race but the wind died...today we woke up and it was over 30 kts but now the wind is gone again..

Back to the new board.. the board is super similar in the downwind to the f2 and upwind it rides high and free BUT it has a lot of grip still. The F2 sometimes is too loose, at least the FX6 and you loose upwind angle when is light. We have a free feel but we get a lot of angle from our tall straight fat rails in the back.
We can say we have a similar feel as the F2 but mostly downwind. Upwind is very similar to the feel of our old board but only higher, nose to tail. We have the same cutouts as last year, a tiny bit deeper but this makes the board stay low in the higher winds. The f2 has very deep big cutouts so thats why it flies away on the strong.

I've sailed in miami last weekend and i tried the board against the current ML in winds around 8-13 kts. Our board was clearly pointing higher and had way more power all the time. Peter Ifju and Ron Kern tried it and both of them were going better on the EXO. Peter said it was very easy and that he was clearly faster on it than what he regularly is.
To me is just good news that someone can jump on it and straight away has a good performance. Many times i ve changed board from year to year and it takes me a long time to adapt. Sometimes you are in doubt if you really improve..!

Jack what i said of the new starboard was the following:
I didnt try the board. I was in the water sailing with a group that was testing the exo and the starboard. When Antoine Questel was on the new starboard i was clearly faster in my stuff (old board and 12 mt mauisails). When he swap to the exo he was pointing higher than me and the speed was similar. So i can only say what happened against me, he changed boards and i stayed stable. He was clearly better on the exo.
I said that the starboard is probably a good board but it didnt look outstanding at all. This AQ was riding a staboard at the event so he knows how to trim it quick, he has no clew what the exo use to ride so if he jumps and straight away goes better thats a very good sign.

When we were in miami there was a new starboard at the beach but somehow nobody dare to take it out for a test against our board after they saw what happened with the ML...
 
Post number : #37
Date :  10/22/2009 6:28:20 PM Author : Koen

On the French forum, this price was circulating for the new Warp100: 1899€.
Don't know if the source was reliable.
 
Post number : #38
Date :  10/23/2009 12:45:53 PM Author : Guest

aw shucks, and i already ordered the new starboard. damn
 
Post number : #39
Date :  10/27/2009 12:02:23 PM Author : Tan

Any idea where I can order this order if in Malaysia? And how much

cheers
 
Post number : #40
Date :  10/27/2009 12:48:14 PM Author : Remi

Hi Tan,

All info are in the Dealer section:

http://www.exocet-original.com/distribution.asp

The Windsurfing Shop Pte Ltd
Tel: +65 64491955
Email: rachel@welovewindsurfing.com
Web: www.welovewindsurfing.com
 
Post number : #41
Date :  10/28/2009 12:02:55 PM Author : PG

Gonzo did not do particularly well (7:th) in the Brazil Grand Prix... Does the new formula board have anything to do with that?
 
Post number : #42
Date :  10/28/2009 12:29:19 PM Author : Remi

He was riding the 2008-2009 Black Machine not the new Warp 100. I think that was the last event he had to race on the "old" black machine.

Have a look at the pics from www.formulawindsurfing.org
 
Post number : #43
Date :  10/28/2009 12:36:10 PM Author : Quentin

Tan where do you live in Malaysia and where do you sail ?
I am in Penang Island and unfortunately i can not sail around ... i have not taken any gear with me and the wind is so weak around here...

Last time in lankawi there was some high wind ... but i found nobody to rent some equipment.

For Malaysia, the Exocet dealer is in Singapore.... when i ll go around i ll check the conditions out there and maybe i ll hire a kit to sail one afternoon !

Cheers
 
Post number : #44
Date :  10/29/2009 1:54:00 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa H. ARG3

Hi guys, i use the old board in brasil. I did shit but it was mainly because of personal fuck ups. Ii was feeling very tired physically as i had a rush trip to miami before the event.
You can check the action videos at www.morlima.com
You can see there that i was actually really fast. I wish i had used the new board though..
 
Post number : #45
Date :  10/29/2009 12:00:20 PM Author : Quentin

Gonzalo,
you can not be at your best all the time !!!!!
Good luck for the next events and have a nice rest !
If u go to Maui and see Felipe tell him hi from me !
 
Post number : #46
Date :  10/29/2009 9:02:11 PM Author : Jjay

I agree with Quentin
No person is at their best all the time!!!!
We, (who ride EXOCET Formula) are glad and grateful for your input and dedication.
A single result does not define your total worth.
Bad results are like hangovers. The shitty feeling doesn't last forever!
There is always next time.
 
Post number : #47
Date :  10/30/2009 8:05:42 AM Author : Tan

You should try going Kuantan to windsurf. Good winds there!
 
Post number : #48
Date :  10/30/2009 10:05:42 AM Author : Quentin

ok but any place to get decent equipment ?
 
Post number : #49
Date :  11/2/2009 4:41:40 AM Author : Tan

No rentals. You gotta buy or borrow...
 
Post number : #50
Date :  11/24/2009 5:36:00 PM Author : Jack

Hallo Gonzalo,
got a quick review from a friend who tested the new board.It sounds quite good.Liked to hear your comment on it.
Thank you


"Ok, the Exocet was quite nice actually.

I was a bit sceptical at first because its really flat (hardly any vee or concaves) just like their 2008 board, and I find boards that are flat ride flat ... which is usually slow!

Anyhow, this wasn’t really the case. It rides kind of strangely, it doesn’t actually rail at all. The board keeps very flat on the sides, but the nose lifts nicely, so it’s a very smooth and controllable ride. Not sure if that makes sense... its basically that the board lifts the nose, but doesn’t lift the rail. I’ve never seen a board do that before, but its actually quite nice feeling out on the water. We ran the masttrack about 2cm from the back in most conditions for the best trim.

Downwind this board was a rocketship. For some reason it actually rails a lot going downwind which is the fastest way to sail because you have less board touching the water (less drag). We used the double-chicken strap (same as the Mike’sLab boards) which is great because you can keep the board railed the whole time and its very comfortable in this strap that isn’t all the way in the middle like a normal chicken strap.

I didn’t get the chance to measure it, which is why I don’t fully understand its ‘flat’ characteristic of sailing upwind. If I can get the measurements I can think about more why it does this.

My only complaint with the board is the side-rail of the board on your back feet is much too sharp. I’m talking about where you put your back feet in the back footstraps; its very square instead of rounded so my back foot would always start hurting after sailing it for 30 mins or so. I guess maybe you could get used to it as obviously Gonzalo and the guys would’ve tested this out... maybe I am just being soft, but I found it a little uncomfortable.

In high winds the board is really nice and controllable and in light winds it gets on the plane super easy and gybes really nicely."
 
Post number : #51
Date :  11/24/2009 6:21:31 PM Author : Koen B-2

Hi Jack

Regarding the rail shape under the back foot: I observed the change also when going from the WF07 to the WF08/09, but after 2 years of using the WF08/09, the rail shape has never really given any problems from an ergonomical point of view.

Regarding th rest of your friens experiences with the board: looks really promissing.
 
Post number : #52
Date :  11/26/2009 11:33:24 PM Author : Nik

Gonzalo,

where have you gone??
 
Post number : #53
Date :  11/28/2009 5:37:10 PM Author : Karolis

I guess he's racing in Fortaleza, Brasil. ;)
 
Post number : #54
Date :  11/28/2009 5:39:16 PM Author : Karolis

Sorry, he's not. I was sure I saw him in results some where.. :)
 
Post number : #55
Date :  11/29/2009 11:10:42 AM Author : marco

hallo Gonzalo,
would you please advice me about the right Ifju's (model/rake) for the new Exocet fw?
I'm 81 kg.Need a light wind fin for the 12 and a medium wind one for the 11.
Usually when I use the 12 the water is smooth and when I rig the 11 it can be choppy.
If you want suggest some alternative brand/model you've experienced with the board it will be appreciated.
 
Post number : #56
Date :  12/1/2009 11:46:57 AM Author : marco

have you all disappeared??
 
Post number : #57
Date :  12/10/2009 3:41:47 PM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Guys, i was working a lot on a shop that i set up at my windsurfing club, so it was really hectic for me the last weeks.
We had the Formula Nationals last weekend. Some of my friends and i used the new board. I won and my bro finished 3rd with the new board. We did 11 races.
I am receiving three ifju fins today or tomorrow that i will test here at buenos aires in the river and i will try aswell in Mendoza where the worlds is gona happen next year on march.
I've been using kashy fins most of the time and some Peter's MW XS and they all seem to be working good.
The big tip fins seem to be having a bit of advantage on the normal ones for more recreational riders. I prefered the regular 70s.
The explanation that was given up is very promising. I agree with him that the board is a rocket downwind. My bro, who barely sails scored very good results because he was flying downwind, even in highwinds. The double chicken is a pleasure!
Upwind i am raliling the board rather than having it flat but this might be my fins.
All the board we received here are quite similar and accurate.
I will come back with comments of the fins..
The back foot shape was made on purpose because in light winds you could put your foot on the rail like a long board going upwind and then downwind you could put your foot further up on the board on the flater section and it was really comfy. In middle winds you might feel it hard if you go for really long legs on one tack.
We received 9 boards here and the were gone in one week.
 
Post number : #58
Date :  12/10/2009 5:19:51 PM Author : Jack

thank you Gonzalo.

Why recreational sailors (or,maybe,we can say also NOT SUPER SKILLED/TRIMMED people) will be better with a wide tip fin while you prefer 'regular' 70's?

Of course I have to test on my own but would you please help me to set the starting point for a base trim (footstraps,mast base) ?
I'm 80 kg,will use the rsr evo I 10,7 (so far) and my fin quiver is:
r19s-- +8
r17s +6
r13m
(also 2 Birdi but guess you don't know them...)

gonna get my new board in a week or so
 
Post number : #59
Date :  12/10/2009 6:43:01 PM Author : Karolis

Jack, I think thats because people who tried the board feels its sailing kinda flat, and wide tip fin should help railing it easier. Gonzo is skilled enough to trim the board even using regular fin and thus having speed advantage against wide tip fins. At least this is how I imagine it. :)
 
Post number : #60
Date :  12/10/2009 9:58:36 PM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Jack, Karolis explanation is exactly right.
I am using the footstraps all the way back and mast base pretty far back too.
 
Post number : #61
Date :  12/16/2009 4:54:43 PM Author : G

got it!
Can't wait to test it out...
Hope,you Gonzalo,would advice us about some fin choice (brand/model/size)
 
Post number : #62
Date :  12/19/2009 9:14:26 PM Author : G

confirm:
the board weights kg 8,5 with all the footstraps set.
Too much wind to give it a sail!
Hope next week.
 
Post number : #63
Date :  12/26/2009 1:33:04 PM Author : Jack

no more news??
Gonzalo,have you tested your new Ifju's?
 
Post number : #64
Date :  12/27/2009 2:09:34 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Guys, i tried the fins on a windy day and they felt very good. I retried them at the laek where the formula worlds is gona happend but there wasnt enough wind to test. I am waiting now back at Buenos Aires for some wind to retest them in light air...
The board worked very good on the short gusts i had at the lake..i was very fast both upwind and downwind.
I will write some more as soon as i can..
 
Post number : #65
Date :  1/9/2010 1:10:40 AM Author : Jack

hallo Gonzalo,
liked to hear from you what's the difference (using it with the w-100) between the rs6 11,6 , the rsr 11,8 , the tr5 12 and the tr6 (if you've already sailed it) 12.
Do you think using MS on the w-100 could add some more to the board performance?
Have you had the chance to test something more with fins?
thank you
 
Post number : #66
Date :  1/22/2010 12:07:55 AM Author : John

Hi, does anyone knows the performance of the Lorch TB F1 board?
Is it realy good for very tall heavy dudes like me (198cm, 105 kgr)?
I make this question cause its realy wide one foot off (almost 90 cm), and know there are a few powerfull custom fins that realy work with wide boards!
 
Post number : #67
Date :  1/22/2010 7:38:14 AM Author : Niko

Hello John!!

I have now Lorch TB (183liter) .... and exocet . For my 110kg weight Lorch performs so much better. More consistant through the course and it carries big sails way better.

You defenedly need powerful fin with the board. One of our national top riders is using TB F1 and says that main difference to TB is that F1 feels more"lively". He is 200cm and 100+kg.

So I can recomend Lorch for you with your weight....
Exocet is better for lighter riders in my opinion and what I have seen. Maybe with bit smaller sails.

But if you have read this topic.... New Exo could be one to consider.

Good sailing!
Niko
 
Post number : #68
Date :  1/23/2010 2:11:02 PM Author : John

Hi Niko!
Thank God someone who knows these boards!!!
I've allready orderd the TB F1, (niceprice) i will keep the star 162 too.
I've allready VMG's K79-70, and K73-70, but i orderd the F4 BB 80-70 for realy light conditions.
The Exo is the best looking board!But i whanted maximum lightwind performance!
As for sails i've got the classic RS6 12,5-Simmers SCR11,8-10,9 m2.
Can you some tips about this board?, who is the top national rider who's using this board?
Thanks Niko
 
Post number : #69
Date :  1/23/2010 4:14:02 PM Author : mats

John, isnt the VMG K79-70 and the BB 80-70 similar fins?
 
Post number : #70
Date :  1/23/2010 4:39:55 PM Author : John

Hi, the k79 is, for my weight, light to medium wind fin.
The BB80-70 i havent receved it yet but it must be the light wind beast!
Its = Kashy 89-70
From 6-7 to max 12-15 knots, consider that i weight 105 kgr!
In a few days i'll receve it and then i will write something about the differences in performance.
 
Post number : #71
Date :  1/23/2010 8:15:56 PM Author : giu

Finally did the shake down!!!!

Today forecast was good for Fw.Around 12k.
Light wind and nearly flat water.
Just a bit scared of North (cold) wind because it can quickly increase and bring some swell but this time I was lucky and everything has gone smooth.

180 cm and around 80 kg.
6 years of FW experience.
NP rs:r 10,7 evo I (the biggest sail size so far) rigged on a "special" Reptile.
Fin:Birdi custom 70m.I know,need couple of new ones!
Mast base:136 (written in the board mast base scale)
Boom:eyes height

I'm not a super quick "planner" and 10-11k are poor for a 10,7 BUT after some "pumping" the board reacted super fast to my input and blasted away.
Compared to the Starboard (any of them) I needed less "shoots" to keep going (carbon stffness and lighter weight helps).
I was alone with FW so it's almost not possible to say if I was pointing high (or higher than my ex-Starboard).Plus no marks around.
An inappropriated sail size,a fin ever used on the board,wind swirlings don't allow me to say too much.
Just the rail allows you for a strong bite,you can highly charge the fin and accellerate (even if,just very first impression,you don't really need to super charge it to lift the nose).
The board sails FLAT.I had to work out a bit with the footstraps width but no way to "rail" it up.Found the back foot rail area/edge a bit uncomfy but very use-help/full.Never give up when the chop crosses under the board hull because you can alway rely on the very sharp and high downwind rail.
Please note that I didn't sailed FW since late august so I needed to "warm up" a bit before pushing the gas pedal.
Even if the board sails flat it never slow down while pointing.Ok,wind was light but the nose stayed always in the right way.No low nor high.
Downwind it was joy.Just release the OH and run as fast as you can!!Deep angle (even with small sail!!!!!) and high speed.Couldn't believe that.NEVER TOUCHED the chop back shoulder.Super satisfied of that.
Just choose your track ans push downwind.Had the 2 chickens set in the board but never felt the need of it.
Tacks were easy.Correct amount of deck area/volume.
Gybes weren't super smooth (because light wind and because of me!!).

to be continued...



p.s. Gonzalo,if you want advice me about some fin....
 
Post number : #72
Date :  1/26/2010 12:33:45 AM Author : F4 Fins

Hey Guys, this is Ben from F4.

Not looking to advertise, just clarify.

The F4 'BB' is NOT similar to the VMG 'K'. Rather, it is a new design only for light wind applications. Boogie's original light wind fin was called 'B', so you can think of it as 'B, Version B' or the 'Big Boy'.

The VMG 'K' is comparable to our 'CR' model in terms of power and range. However, the F4 'CR' and VMG 'K' have different outlines, flex profiles, and foil sections. As such, these fins should definitely not be considered the same thing. Boogie did design the foils for both F4 and VMG, but he did not design the foils exactly the same.

The BB was developed to address the growing demand for light wind fins. We wanted a design specifically for winds from 5-15 knots, with larger sizes targeting 12 knots and down . This required an entirely new design as opposed to just scaling up an existing fin.

A 70cm BB has about the same power as a F4 CR 76-6cm, VMG K 76-6cm, or Kashy 74-4cm. However, the BB can be made as large as 80-10cm. At 80-10cm this fin should have more power than a Kashy 85-15cm. Our guess is the power would be equivalent to a Kashy 90-20cm, if it existed.

F4 is also having longer molds made for the CR model. In the near future, CRs as long as 90cm will be available.

Again, I don't want to turn this into an advertisement, so for more information email us: F4fins@gmail.com
 
Post number : #73
Date :  1/26/2010 3:36:55 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Jack, I think that the NPs are very good sails but i would say that when you have a board developed with another brand sail (MauiSails on this case) you will probably have the right setup all around using the MS.
I sailed a lot on the board with my TR5 and with a proto of the TR6. I liked it better on the TR6. The sail matched very good the board.
We increased a lot the rocker line, we made pretty beefy rails, specially in the back, and we ended up having a really nice light wind alive feeling. Downwind the board rides so high and free that it is a dream to ride at any wind.
When all this characterisctics are gather together i would say i would like to have a pretty deep lock in sail down below which will balance the board a lot nose to tail and will just let you cruise max speed without any readjustments on the body pos as when the sails are flat (case of RS6).
The new TR5 12 has been improved nicely by the TR6, and that was already a pretty competitive sail. The MS are softer and are more forgiven than the prydes, and this year we stabilise it a lot with the shape adjustments. So this might help if our boxy sharp rails give you a hard time on choppy or messy water conditions..
 
Post number : #74
Date :  1/26/2010 3:45:10 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Giu, i think that you need something like a 72 Kashy. Thats what i found out to be the best so far. I can rail the board easy, but sometimes i prefer to go flat. Maybe you can put the footstraps all the way back to bring up the rail and have that play.
I liked a lot the 72 kashy and in Peters Ifjus i still have to decide. I will sails tomorrow so i can put more imfo..
PS: on the post before maybe i miss wrote something or wasnt clear. What i meant with the sails is that i would go with the TR6..the sail is very good andthe board was developed with it so nothing can go wrong..


 
Post number : #75
Date :  1/27/2010 12:45:50 AM Author : chris

could be the new North a good design for the new board.It was good with the new PD board which looks pretty similar to the Exocet
 
Post number : #76
Date :  2/7/2010 1:01:50 AM Author : giu

just found the following link:

http://www.localsailing.nl//index.php/news/36/60/Interview-Gonzalo-about-tuning-the-Warp-100

sound interesting!
I
 
Post number : #77
Date :  2/10/2010 10:24:06 AM Author : omar

HELLO! I have a lorch thunderbird f1, my weight is 74kg and height 181, i use 12 , 11 and 10 m , i want 2 fins vmg , which is better? i thought in vmg 76( light winds) and vmg 73( medium winds)
 
Post number : #78
Date :  2/10/2010 1:33:45 PM Author : francois

It's not the right place to get this answer ;-)
 
Post number : #79
Date :  2/10/2010 3:35:02 PM Author : Jjay

Omar,,,,,,,

http://www.vmgblades.com/

your VMG's will go faster with a 2010 EXOCET WARP 100,,,,,, ;-)
 
Post number : #80
Date :  2/12/2010 12:14:11 AM Author : Karolis LTU1001

I think all of you, still waiting for info on suitable fin, should ask those who have been testing their stuff on boards for some time. I heard that guys from VMG Blades have some new secret fin developed, which impressed many pros and which they tested with most of the new boards (SB HWR & LWR, Exo and JP). Some pros have even ordered few and going to use them in the worlds.

Drop them a line at www.vmgblades.com and they will give you all the info on what is best for you!
 
Post number : #81
Date :  2/15/2010 2:03:38 AM Author : bang bang

hey Gonzalo,how it was today against Paolo and Willy?
It seems that any of the top 3 combos just fly but PD/North seems to have a small edge so far..
Any comment?
 
Post number : #82
Date :  2/17/2010 5:23:22 PM Author : bang bang

we all know that high level comp is not what a board performance is all about (too many other variables need to be ok to succeed) but we love to hear some comment from you about the first official "outing" of the w-100 against PD board and LWR...
 
Post number : #83
Date :  2/18/2010 5:16:22 AM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel, ARG3

Hi Guys, i just came back home. A story will come out on this days about the event. I 'll give you a brief though:

Paulon won with 6 bullets, very impressive. I know him for a long time now and i was very impressed at this event to see how someone can improve his quality of racing and mental preparation in such a short time. If you know him you know that he is in an amazing shape.
He has been hooking up to train with some RSX guys from brasil and manage to improve a lot. He was in 100 % fitness, !00 % mentally, 100 % tuned and 100% confidence to win the event.

In my side, it was my first event with my new sails that were not the latest versions and with the board that i have for a while. I ve been working hard on the gym focussing on a specific target: the worlds.
Wilhelm did some events so far, Miami and Australia so he had a lot of racing in already this year. He clearly outraced me but i believe my speed was better than his.
Paulon had very good angle, and made the right decitions on gear.
I will comment on the full story of the event.
 
Post number : #84
Date :  2/19/2010 4:07:12 PM Author : Sailor

So, I guess Patrick's board is the best choice for fw this year, right?? hehehe
 
Post number : #85
Date :  2/19/2010 11:40:38 PM Author : Jjay

Sailor,,,,,,,,,,,,, = troll
 
Post number : #86
Date :  2/22/2010 12:25:07 PM Author : MM

@Jjay

"Sailor,,,,,,,,,,,,, = troll" ??

@Gonza

story?
Heard you had some setting problem with fins...
What's up?

thx
 
Post number : #87
Date :  2/22/2010 11:37:26 PM Author : Jjay

No Problem with fins.
VMG are SUPER fine for my future in Formula,,,,, 100%
And Super fine for the new Warp100 2010.
VMG are always one step ahead.
Just need some time to adjust from North Sails to Maui Sails. (big change in philosophy, trimming, and feel)

A "troll" (ugly, disgusting, and ultimately SAD internet scum) or,,,,,, in Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, self serving, extraneous, or off -topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion. A person who scans the internet and tries to make cheap comments on Forums where it is obviously not welcome.



Clear!!!!!!!!????

Sailor,,,,,,, we are not interested.

Commitment, dedication and belief in the people and product they represent is as dear to us as it must be to you.
 
Post number : #88
Date :  2/23/2010 12:51:58 AM Author : MM

hey Jjay,slow down mate!!
I've just asked the meaning of the word "troll".
Sorry,my English is poor and was trying to better understand.Nothing else!
I'm not involved in the previous comments regarding other boards.
But,in my opinion,this is an open forum and people are free to express their ideas (even if they're different)
..but I think this seem to be more a problem for you than for Exocet!!!

The "fin question" wasn't related to you!!
If you better read the post above you can easily see "@Gonzo" and then the questions!!

take it easy mate!
 
Post number : #89
Date :  2/23/2010 8:25:15 AM Author : Jjay

No problem MM,
Am not stressed at all.
I understand that you are not the Author : "sailor"
My mistake about the fin question.
At the Oceanics I had some tuning/setting problems of my own.
But nothing to do with fins.
My TROLL comment was only directed at Sailor. Not you MM.

Relax and go fast,,,,
Jjay
 
Post number : #90
Date :  2/23/2010 4:13:24 PM Author : Gonzalo Costa Hoevel ARG3

Hi Guys,
I didnt have any fin problems at the event.
I just couldnt test much on the highwind conditions we had the first day so i went out with i believe was the best for that day.
The second day i went out with a K78 XS, that was performing very good the days of testing, good angle an power.
If i had problems i would I misjudge the strength of wind on the second day, i should have gone out on the 12 instead of the 11.
We were on a harbour so there was not much chance to come back and change.
Nevertheless my report of the race is up in NEWS so you can check how it went. That is my personal story or feelings of how it went that i normally write after an event to judge myself on what i have to improve or change..
I am off to maui for some testing and then i am going to the midwinters to race again.
BR, Gonzalo.
 
Post number : #91
Date :  2/23/2010 4:29:22 PM Author : MM

thx Gonzalo.
Now you have a better idea about the fin quiver a sailor should have own for the w-100?
Thought that anything bigger than 72 (for average 80 kg) would have been too much..
 
Post number : #92
Date :  2/23/2010 5:39:20 PM Author : Karolis

MM, the cutdown size is not the only thing defying how the fin will perform. Softness, amount of twist in layup, geometrical twist, shape and other small factors can make a huge difference. So its enough to say how "big" the fin should be.
I think if you still ask these questions, you should consider getting two modern fins - one for low to medium wind (I would suggest 75-76 cutdown, xs), and the other for high winds (regular 70cm xs fin). Newest fins works for pretty much every board, the only difference will be when you will put a smaller fin in. Livelier boards will like smaller fin earlier, and less lively boards will let you use bigger fin for longer time. Last year I used my VMG Blades K76 from 7 to 24kts on SB162. I would have liked to have smaller fin to use from 16kts, but the big one was still pretty nicely manageable.
Now Im waiting to receive my new VMG (75 cutdown) which is said to have even more range in it.

Karolis LTU1001
 
Post number : #93
Date :  2/23/2010 11:00:56 PM Author : Karolis

In the message above I meant to say "So its NOT enough to say how "big" the fin should be.

Karolis LTU1001
 
Post number : #94
Date :  2/24/2010 4:09:25 PM Author : asu

hi
where cani buy a kashy fin used? i am interested in kashy 70 or kashy 72
 
Post number : #95
Date :  2/28/2010 2:03:03 PM Author : giu

Second session with the new board.
This time I could test it in almost any water state!
Wind rotated many time all over the day,switching from flat off shore to side shore and,finally,to on shore.
It was around 18k when off shore,13/14 side shore and 10/13 on shore.
Still on my trusty rsr 10,7 and birdi M (similar to R17).
I menaged pretty easy the initial strong gusts in flat water.I felt a good speed both upwind and downwind but it was very difficult rating the angle and the VMG because of no marks in the water.Mostly I went for cruising.
When it changed direction I could take couple of references and could have a better idea about the angle.It seemed I was right set up and the board had always that power you want to be free to go for max angle or for some more speed.Other guys in the water had a lower level than me so I can't really say how good/bad I was.
Despite a non perfect fin for the board the upwind was correct (if powered up) but where the board really shines is downwind.Ity's really a bullet with a super easyness.
Now I hope to get a more appropriate fin for the board and start to push it up some more.
 
Post number : #96
Date :  2/28/2010 2:37:56 PM Author : giu

@ Gonzalo

quoting from your report about South American's:

"I tested out some fins, and the Ifju MW worked good, - the 70 XS T2 Kashy was nice too along with some other sizes.. My speed was good with the 11m when powered up."

-being my lever soooo lower than your (!!) I easily agree with your statement.It appeared clear to me that in order to be fast with fin around 72 you need some power in the sail.That's why now it seems odd to me your previous statements (when you advised for relative small fin sizes).Please don't get me wrong,no controversy,just clarification inquiry.


"Equipment used:
11 TR6
78 XS Kashy 4.5 rake as it seemed that it was gonna be wavy.
same position mast base, straps all the way back."

-have you gone with the 78 because you needed power against the heavy chop?What you exactly mean with mast base covering half of the track rail square?I did it yesterday and it corresponded with mast at 137 (signed on the board).Is it correct?

thx
 
Post number : #97
Date :  2/28/2010 10:24:24 PM Author : Karolis LTU1001

giu,

If you had read all the thread above, you would have found Gonzalo's comment that less experienced sailors should use a bigger fin as it makes the board easier to rail. He mentioned that he preferred smaller fin to gain speed advantage, but choosing smaller fin for unexperienced sailor can work contrary, as not being able to rail the board will usually make you slower.

and yes, I think you need more power in swell, as sometimes you have to point really hard in order to work the waves nicely. as for the position, I also think the numbers on the board would be more precise to mention, as base plate sizes varies from one manufacturer to other.

Karolis LTU1001
 
Post number : #98
Date :  4/11/2010 2:40:23 PM Author : SWE 73

Where to put the mastfoot on the new BM?
My weight is around 95-98kg.
Where should I put the mastfoot when I go out with 12,0 or 11,0 or 10,0?
 
Post number : #99
Date :  4/11/2010 6:38:30 PM Author : giu

around 135...
 

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